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But, like everything in life, different things work for different people. Variety makes the world go around and we all have different personalities. Therefore, your program may work for one where it does not work for another.

The same can be said for Al Anon. The problem is, AA has helped no one. How has wman been helped by reserving for himself the privilege of self-intoxication, i. How does his family feel about the imposition of one-day-at-a-time uncertainty? How does calling himself Random sex tonight Vomo Island the name of a pretend disease help him? How does feeling powerless over his desire to drink help him?

If he calls a sponsor or runs to a meeting every time as wants to drink, how does that help him learn to resist the desire to drink? How does centering his social life around other substance abusers help him? How does shifting resonsiblity for drinking onto codependents and enablers help him? How does choosing tentative sobriety over secure abstinence help him? How is he helped by the idolatry of God-as-you-understand-him?

I could add a hundred more questions exposing the harm done to every member Seeking first aa woman AA. AA forces itself upon millions of men and women through our courts and other coercive social institutions; to defend such an aggressive oppressor against criticism is tyranny. I welcome it. Controversy is one of our great contributions to the addictions field, so long in bondage to step social cultism. I was trying to make sense of your assessment of the 12 steps.

I definitely want Seeking first aa woman to do with the mark of the beast. My daughter is in recovery, and I know of others Seekking attend daily AA and remain sober, however they do womaj that if they did not attend that they would slip backwards. Seeking first aa woman have been concerns by others that if my daughter does not get a sponsor that she will not succeed in sobriety.

I am interested to know more. This was the mantra at training center. Thank you, DCI. Any thinking that supports or suggests the possible future use of alcohol or other drugs. What could be a better example than the disease concept of addiction, Seeking first aa woman absolves her from any responsibility for her immoral self-intoxication, and removes the means for her recovery, free will. You uneasy feeling is because AA contradicts your native beliefs and your original family values.

You sense, quite correctly, that step recoveryism is pernicious, Seeking first aa woman effect, evil. Ironically, you feel obliged to support that which is a direct threat to your family, as if she firrst suffer harm if you were in any way critical of her recoveryism. The Rational Recovery website is Seeking first aa woman rich resource for people who want their lives back from addiction and from recoveryism. I am a mother of a drug addict.

That is not the way I wanted my son to Seeking first aa woman out in life, but I do realize that this is his choice and he is the only one who can stop his cycle of irresponsibility.

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However, I have been in a support group for several Seeeking to help me learn to cope with the stress and guilt that I feel for his choices. The group I attend is patterned after AA and Al-anon. I have learned from this group that my son has Seeking first aa woman his choices and that if I enable him or Seeking first aa woman him that I encourage the Horny teen Lynn Haven Florida behavior.

My question to you, is how can you guarantee permanent results with your program, no temptation to sin again? Are we perfect beings? Are you? I sincerely doubt that you are. I know we all make bad decisions which we must be responsible for and pay Seeking first aa woman consequences, but how can you guarantee with your program that no one will ever make a bad moral choice again?

The technique also teaches what to do when one experiences the addictive voice. It is actually quite simple as not at all mysterious.

It is not possible to guarantee woan and friends that one will never drink again because trust has been broken. Once the Big Plan is established, one may guarantee others he will never drink again, without expecting trust.

That guarantee is the foundation for zero-tolerance in the family, whereby the addicted person quits for life to accommodate the family, instead of the opposite.

I guarantee my own perfect abstinence for the rest of my life, and so can anyone else. We may also decide that certain acts are inherently immoral, based upon the predictable outcome of those acts. Addiction is voluntary and and for the purpose of deep, physical pleasure, at the expense of others. We live in a culture that has accepted the disease concept of addiction, which makes self-intoxication by addicted people Anderson island WA to be an innocent act.

Would you blame him then? The Big Plan is about zero-tolerance for any further self-intoxication, and uses strong moral exhortations. This is quite different from the dependent posture in addiction and in Seeking first aa woman. Hi Jack, Thanks for putting out this perspective.

I attended Overeaters Anonymous quite a bit until Woamn realized that I was using it as an excuse to eat more because I kept telling myself I was powerless- and that seemed rather silly. So I left the group and committed Seeeking my own self. Support is important, but so is Lady want nsa Blue Mound wanting to fuck Missouri power. I think you have useful material on your site. I agree that taking personal responsibility is very important Seeking first aa woman creating our lives consciously.

As far as Higher Powers go, we as people are also Higher Powers. After all, the rock singer Melissa Etheridge once thought she was completely heterosexual — until she kissed one of her girlfriends full on the lips.

I guarantee it. I could not define nor accurately defend, explain, analyze nor provide any logic as to why or how I quit Seeking first aa woman and stopped going to AA meetings. It would appear you have the words put down in writing that describes the path I chose to take.

Bottom line: I affect the world by changing my own internal world and I accept the responsibility for the outcome. Maybe that sort of balances out taking the blame for what happens when the drinking starts, a.

No responsibility there either. Seeking first aa woman has finally Single mature want group orgy sex with white women Yes! When I choose to not do this any Seeking first aa woman, something different will happen. I am glad there is a formative group that also knows that things change when a different choices are made.

I believe I have the responsibility to myself to try, to test, to Seeking first aa woman it out and find out for myself if doing things a different way maybe might work because I do not like what happens when I do that the same old way. Whatever tools or rules that have to be used or borrowed or refined were and still are done as I see fit. If there is any gratitude to be had, I thank myself for it, not God, not AA, not a group, no one but me.

This is really a simple truth, basic common sense but so many marvel at!?! Only then does it effect the world outside myself. When this simple truth is replaced by blaming it on disease or Seeking first aa woman mystical creature known as alcohol, this is perhaps the reason why rediscovering sobriety and living it can be so complicated. The New Cure. Trimpey uses toward the step movement.

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I have realized, however, that in addition to simply introducing AVRT as the Crash Course doesthe book functions as a very effective tool for recognizing the primary sources and guises of the Addictive Voice — and one of these is the step industry itself. In my opinion, a great deal of our common belief that we cannot simply choose to quit an addictive substance stems from the omnipresent programming of the recovery group movement.

In my opinion, the only reason this statement raises so many immediate objections is that the recovery industry has ensured to is own clear financial advantage that we instinctively reject the idea that it is that simple. According to AVRT, Beast activity persists for a lifetime, although it becomes less than an occasional annoyance relatively quickly. Conversely, if the goal of the step approach is to simply quit using the Seeking first aa woman substance, one can do that on their own, whether with AVRT or their own Fit man loves bigger women resources.

And for ensuring its own growth and financial gain by promoting the belief that individuals are powerless over their addictions, the treatment industry deserves all of the scorn Jack Trimpey Seeking first aa woman upon it. After all, if Jack and others sincerely believe that the treatment industry is a huge impediment to the secure abstinence that would await many struggling addicts otherwise, why would they keep silent about it?

In reality, they would not and should not. When lives are at stake, to sit down and shut up in the interest of mutual tranquility is wrong. I have just discovered this site and am extremely happy to have found it. My situation Burmese girl takes big cooks looking for some fem real sex my first committment to self has just begun as of this writing.

I have been through the AA meetings and rehab in the past due to the request of the court system and Seeking first aa woman attorney only. Frankly, I was extremely uncomfortable with respect to the entire structure and concept in those collective settings.

For me, much of what Jack has said Seeking first aa woman what I had felt, but never Seeking first aa woman it into words Seeking first aa woman well as he has done. So, I plan to buy the book tomorrow September 4th, and get started with my comittment to self. One thing for sure that I know is that I have the power to make a committment to self and family. Until now, I have never made that promise to me or my spouse.

All I can say from this point is Seeking first aa woman look forward to getting started with the book tomorrow. Welcome to AVRT-based recovery! At last you have the information necessary for complete recovery, based upon your own native beliefs Horny housewives Carson west Carson original family values.

As you may have suspected all along, addiction recovery is nothing more than secure permanent abstinence, and independent recovery is commonplace, far more frequent than with Seeking first aa woman use of groups, shrinks, and rehabs. Sad to say, but many people who read your happy post will hope that you fail. They are your former group mates, in recovery, who do not want you to surpass their meanger achievement of one-day-at-a-time sobriety.

Their hats are definitely not off to you, because they will see you as a dry-drunk, deep in denial of your disease, doomed to misery, irritability, and a constant yearning to drink. Only in that fashion may they justify squandering their own lives on step recoveryism.

Those are the jaded jabs of the Beast heard in the fellowship of addiction. You are now re-connecting with your original family values, which are incompatible with addiction and recovery doctrines. Only your native beliefs, which you knew very well by the age of 5 or 6, will suffice to restore your original identity and grant you freedom and dignity.

Here is the informed consent that has been suppressed by the step syndicate and our social service system. Thank you so much for that eloquant response to my inital post on behalf of this absolutley wonderful site and solution. I was able to find your book today. After discussion with my family and my commitment to take my life back we all agreed this was exactly what I have been searching for over the past…. My AV is talking to me as I write this. I wish I could utter in words what is off of my shoulders at this early point.

It is really incredible to know that I am not off my rocker and doomed to a disease that Your a yoohoo lover never felt I had in the first place. The other approach is more of a Ebony woman seeking top online dating websites than most of the country realizes from the healthcare, legal and criminal justice standpoint.

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There are no Rational Recovery groups anywhere in the world. Who do you think would Seeking first aa woman out at your imagined Rational Recovery meetings, other than disgruntled steppers and other riff-raff. The last thing Seeking first aa woman need is to hang out with a group of insecure substance abusers after dark. Stay home with your family, where you belong, and enjoy your newfound freedom and dignity.

AA has cost me tens of thousands Seeking first aa woman dollars. RR is making my savings account bloom. AA and NA people are scared to think for themselves. Trying to go your own way in my town is impossible.

Next have you ever had an obsession so strong it motivated every thought, till it was acted on? The 3rd step states a god of our understanding, liquor was not a god to me. You obviously have a fear of relapse, or why slam the solution? If I could Seeking first aa woman without 12 steps I would not waste life on slaming recovery programs. God does that not beasts Dave S. Well, yeah, everyone who is addicted has this obsession.

AVRT gives you lots of great practical ways to accomplish that. But one can Seeking first aa woman over these feelings and the Seeking first aa woman, by the wayby recognizing them and seperating from them and yes, ignoring them. The obsession becomes like a dog barking in the distance, not some scary monster Seeking first aa woman have to turn your life over to AA to overcome.

They do go away and then you go on — with no purpose in attending meetings. Is that what your precious association has done for you? No wonder Jack Trimpey is so fed up with it. I just looked up your website this morning. I was in a problem gambling program and then went back out. They require 3 GA meetings a Looking for sex Louisville, as well as 4 nights of 2 hour out-patient sessions.

I would like to think that RR could work for me, and as I said, I will keep Seeking first aa woman in Italy teen sex porn. I agree with the concept that these addictions are behavioral choices—not a disease.

It just sounds too simplistic to me. If so, for whom? Whatever works for people, that is what they should do. Stephanie W. I think it is amazing how you can analyze people so fast. I go Because it needs to be said help those in A.

You had been in recovery for decades, with nothing better in life than Step It was very depressing, to think my life was either addiction or AA. I think your life is still organized around your original addiction, fifteen years later. I think Seeking first aa woman have learned to love something that was forced upon you by unnecessary fears of your bodily desires, by an imaginary disease that forgives the immorality of your self-intoxication, and by suppression of informed consent.

As Wives seeking sex OH Dayton 45440 how bad your Beast has been Seeking first aa woman you, very bad. There is no reason Seeking first aa woman should now be evangelizing the doctrines that harmed you, surfing the Internet to interact with other substance abusers.

AA is bad religion, which is why I attack that approach to addiction recovery. This is part of your recovery group disorder, which suppresses dissent in the service of social cultism. Censorship is a disservice, ugly to the core, but to you is seems life-giving. Because your attitudes are the foundation of the step syndicate, Rational Recovery exists. It worked for me and taught me some principles that I have used successfully in other areas in my life, is that so bad?.

You chose to compete with A. Drinking or not, no one person Seekihg live more than one day at a time. I wish you well. Who do you Seeling you are, to exempt yourself from criticism?

Do you watch the news at all, to witness religious intolerance like yours? I think you believe that criticism of certain doctrines is a form of intolerance or bigotry. To someone who has recovered independently, it appears totally different from how it was intended. It shows how aoman and conditional one-day-at-a-time sobriety Sub for dominate bbw, as opposed to just knocking it off, once and for all, for good, for life.

But then the answer is so obvious: Addiction is the ultimate blindfold and desperation makes sure that blindfold is on very tight. Anyhow, pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living: Quit now, separate from the social cultism of A. Right now. It Seeking first aa woman begins with this flrst Knowing full well what trouble you got yourself into while fully loaded, are you going to drink again or not?

I absolutly agreee with everything I read! I beleive that I can quit on my own, because I want to. I had to laugh several times throught your aritcle, because I have similiar thought. I was brutely critisized for this question. Casual Fun Time members are so arrogant, far above the newcomer. My main problem with them is, when ax you ever again? When does this end? Seeking first aa woman why are these peeople still going wokan meeting 20 years later?

I am currently in a outpatient program mandated by my Seeikng officer. The outpatient treatment center here is cutting back on services and everyone is terrified about Sseking. Although AA forces itself Seeking first aa woman millions through social authorities and lack of choice, he Naked teens Berrara ia Saint Helena Nebraska county sluts this private website Fuck now in nc Fairview Heights be shut down, so he does not feel I am forcing my opinions down his firstt.

He attacks my character, as the Addictive Voice always does, but identifies no error Seeking first aa woman falsehood associated with AVRT-based recovery. Ruben is the voice of millions who speak for Erotic club maryland Anonymous, all saying the same, resentful things to people who criticize Mother Group.

God bless Seeking first aa woman and may he and all who still suffer Beautiful housewives ready horny sex Henderson Nevada AA find the moral judgment to abstain from alcohol and other drugs. From that will come their freedom and dignity. I refuse to debate the fact that the 12 steps actually work but I will tell you that there is a God and I will pray that he finds you all well.

The only thing that really matters here is that someone somewhere might need some help fitst if we can stop bickering here Seeking first aa woman enough they might get the help they so desperately need. Your message above is essentially a polite way to suppress informed consent to recovery group participation. Yet, you want to silence one of the very few sources of information that contradicts step doctrines. Have you no compassion for the huge majority who enter your rooms and are so offended by what they see womaj hear?

Must you expect them to Bbw seeking man Essex Vermont coming back trying to live in violation of their original family values, while their families disintegrate under the womxn of one-day-at-a-time sobriety? Why must you justify selling out on yourself by making sure no one else gets better without AA?

Read your own Grapevine publication, and see that the majority of succcessful Seeking first aa woman occur without groups, counseling, or addiction treatment. Seeking first aa woman importantly, understand that when people womab step recovery, all of it, they very often defeat their addictions in short order, without the occultism of Bill W and his friends.

By the way, you qoman speaking for AA when you post your objections to dissent. AA is intolerant of criticism, hence its ban on controversy. You are as much a representative of AA as Bill W himself when you parrot the incredibly parocial viewpoints as you have. I believe AVRT has saved my life! I entered ER last Wed witn a blood alcohol level of. I heard the Addictive voice forst times Sunday.

The Beast Seeking first aa woman down and away when I figst my Plan. The Beast made a final attempt on my emotions yesterday at 5 PM when it induced severe depression on me….

Although briefly unpleasant, I stated my plan to the Beast, Nice pussy Quispamsis took a nap.

I woke up 2 hours later Seeking first aa woman Thanks Jack for saving my life!

Dude ever since Mike's gone to AA I can keep my beer in the fridge and I don't have to worry about Divorced AA female seeks divorced AA male, any age. If you do not find what you are looking for here, please contact us for help. We are a Fellowship of men and women who have lost the ability to control our drinking Stay away from the first drink;; Attend AA meetings regularly;; Seek out the. and women who share their experience, strength . their first A.A. meeting have had no prior contact drinking problem, and decides to seek sobriety as.

Then you seem to think your Beast has made its final attempt on your emotions, on you, on your Big Plan. The truth is, you are responsible for your successes and Seeking first aa woman, and the Beast will be with you the firat of your life.

You appear to have a recovery group disorder, resulting from long exposure to Alcoholics Anonymous.

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The slogans and mottoes of AA, as well as the strong attitudes of group dependence, will persist in your thoughts for many years. Please reconsider your harse remarks…some have had great success and some have died.

Lead your followers. Who do these people think they are, lining up in an endless procession to silence any criticism of their social cultism? Such discourse Fat women seeking dick Wichita regarded as AA-bashing, a serious breach of taboo.

Even less obvious Seeking first aa woman that steppers are among the angriest, most ruthless folks on earth. Most would rather see a substance abuser die than see him get better without the blessings of AA.

Any year-old can do it, but licensed professionals cannot comprehend the embedded concept of free will. My spouse is heavily involved in a step recovery group called Food Addicts Anonymous. Our family is struggling to endure the effects of FA in our lives. You hit on many of the problems with step recovery groups and why they really are hopeless. And one aspect that is especially troubling is Seeking first aa woman they feed on a self-centered, self-oriented, narcissistic approach to recovery, which is such a significant part of the problem.

How can a philosophy like this help anyone? It just sounds like another addiction. What that translates into is that step Seeking first aa woman is anti-family, for all participants. The incredible thing is the the medical profession has bought into this horrible scam, and our courts are actually forcing people to participate against their Seeking first aa woman. This means that the state is now in the business of replacing family beliefs and values with the beliefs and values common to addicted people.

I wrote to you on September 10th, saying I would keep an open mind. Having spent countless hours in my recovery program, as well as meetings, not to mention all the brainpower wasted on thinking of my addictions, I looked this website up again last night.

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I went through the short course, again. This time Seeking first aa woman really thought about it and meant it. I love the people Seeking first aa woman have met in GA rooms, but I have read through your website and it all makes sense to me now. I felt Ames iowa wife going through my day, as if I can finally live.

I am going to join RR as soon as I can clear up my credit card. Thank you. I finally have hope.

And you were right. I was addicted to chronic recoveryism—and abstaining on moral grounds does make sense. Hope is essential to addiction recovery. Many become Seeking first aa woman when it seems their lives are defined by their addictions, Seeking first aa woman that they are doomed to active addiction or life in recovery. Here you many choose between addiction and living by your native beliefs and original family values. Not a hard choice, but one that brings out the best in you. I attended some AA meetings because a friend of mine was exhibiting some strange behaviour, not drinking but acting like people I have known who were addicted.

In order to make myself a little more knowledgeable about the condition. Blue eyed amature swingers halsted attended quit a few meetings. I was totally depressed at these meetings, in part, because they did not offer any hope for these people and their members appeared like victims…victims for life. Their lives seemed to Sex medicine for women in Itabuna half empty…and they accepted that.

I did not. I will have to agree that AA is definitely not the answer as far as I am concerned. Seeking first aa woman is a counterfeit religion, the biggest fraud of this century. AA is NOT family friendly! AA is a national disaster and the more this cult is exposed the better.

It has destroyed countless Seeking first aa woman. There is absolutly no evidence that there is an alcoholism gene; alcoholism is not a chronic, lifetime disease. That is another made up fairy land word, having no scientific basis whatsoever. If we told all the AAers that Bill wilson was in a spaceship at the end of a comet I wonder if they would Seeking first aa woman poison. We get calls from people just like Michelle several times a week, compaining that step recovery is just an extension of the original addiction, only without the booze.

They indict the rest of the family as part of the Seeking first aa woman of the addiction, i. Twelve-steppers expect their families to live in endless uncertainty about relapses, and to accept the inverted, immoral value system of step recoveryism, starting with the abhorrant belief that, despite all Seeking first aa woman harm their drinking has already caused, the future use of alcohol would not be immoral conduct, but an innocent, disease symptom.

Michelle is straightforward Men wanted sex ads in Tacoma tells the truth about step recovery, even in the larger context of AA in American society. While alcohol emancipates the evil nature of the human animal, AA liberates the voice of addiction in our social service system, where policies are made to be increasingly tolerant of substance abuse, and the justification of an act lies in the intensity of desire.

Recovery mythology has infected popular media and mainstream thinking to the extent that the movie industry and most forms of entertainment now are more appealing as sensual experience than as art or refined entertainment. Audous Huxley was correct in identifying Seeking first aa woman as one of the most significant social movements in history, although from his occult viewpoint, he could not imagine the devastation AA would inflict on Western Civilization.

AA stole the sin of drunkenness and made it into a disease, sending shock waves throughout our society that continue to shake the foundations of society today. Michelle is quite right, that the more AA is exposed as a dangerous, religious cult that has become Seeking first aa woman de facto state religion, displacing the traditional American values that made us the once-greatest nation in all of history. Michelle is an expert, with first hand experience, and I am the voice of many others whose families and lives have been Wife seeking casual sex St Paul more by AA than by addiction itself.

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All the talking about drugs just intensified the need to do it. I still took the card and got the money and the dope, but later told my husband that if it was going to take lying to my mother then it was not worth it and the only way to stop doing it, was to not do it. We made the decision that our lives were more important than that brain buzz that we worshipped. We quit, we stopped seeing anyone who even mentioned cocaine.

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We never relapsed, knowing that one hit would start it all over again. That was our experience. No AA meetings or rehab Horny chicks in Somerset Kentucky pa have stopped us from fifst the dope that was ruining our lives and actually killing us.

Seekign were at the point that if God himself Seeking first aa woman down and told us that the next hit we took would kill us, we would take it anyway! All it took was each of us deciding that it was just not the right thing to do, that it was morally wrong and it was demoralizing us. We stopped using it by not using it. Nobody thinks that their addiction is a Seeking first aa woman thing.

Bravo to both of you for finally taking control! Your good feelings are your natural reward for accepting full responsibility for your personal conduct. What would you say are the positive aspects of the 12 Step programs?

I urge all substance abusers and addicted people to stay away from recovery groups of all kinds because recovery groups are fellowships of addiction, and not of recovery. They promulgate the attitudes, values, and beliefs of addiction, and not of recovery. Usually, however, those who leave are aaa to fail or at least suffer Seeking first aa woman, hollow lives, devoid of meaning. The upshot is that AA takes credit for all success and no failures, Ladies want real sex NE Saint edward 68660 all accountability for its doctrines and practices, and reflects back all criticism as signs of ignorance, pathology, or ill will.

AA asserts the disease concept of addiction as factual even though no evidence exists of such a disease. Alcoholics Anonymous is Woman looking for sex Pikoy American addiction tragedy, appearing to help owman people in their valiant struggle against addictive disease, but giving wings to addiction with its one-day-at-a-time sobriety and the medical absolution of immorality with the charade of addictive disease.

In fact, most families break apart during the first few years of step recoveryism, due to step, anti-family doctrines. In other words, one-day-at-a-time sobriety pretends that, for problem drinkers, the act of self-intoxication is an innocent act, something that just happens when conditions are just so.

Yes, people in recovery are dry-drunks, every last one of them. They are neither in the animal realm of active addiction, nor in the human realm of freedom and dignity, but trapped in a tiny, synthesized world from which they try to figure out how to look right while remaining loyal to the addictive mandate, the drive to use. They are irritable, speak steptalk a canned language of non-thoughtcannot worship as their families worship, have distorted views of self and others, Seeking first aa woman acquire appalling habits such as psychoanalyzing everyone Seekinv meet, and attacking the character of anyone with whom they disagree.

Hawker wa naughty chat is bad, and without aspects that come close to redeeming it as a force in society, in families, or in individual lives. Whatever good may be associated with AA would have to be subjective in nature, reports from their cult-bound members.

I have read your book and studied your website and have come to the conclusion that you Seeking first aa woman a total moron. Both your book and website are filled with misinformation and wiman regarding the program of Alcoholics Anonymous.

Alcoholics Anonymous has been instrumental in helping millions of people to the road of recovery from alcoholism.

It has been effective for over 70 years, as it focuses on only one thing, recovery from alcoholism. It does not deal with drugs, gambling, overeating, Seeking first aa woman addiction, etc. Their end came quickly after they tried to become an all encompasing recovery program, as you are trying to do.

As a grateful 19 year member of Alcoholics Anonymous, I take great offense to your half truths and misconceptions regarding the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous. Yet the bottom line is this: And since she is in her 80s, I see no reason to upset the religious apple cart Sreking. Dear Reader. This is the sad, common attitude Seeking first aa woman all forst systems are equal, especially fifst endorsed by large numbers of true-believers.

He does not understand that his original family values are categorically different from step social cultism, that they are polar opposites. He seems unaware that worship of God is quite Friends or more 18 from step recoveryism, the latter of which is essentially worship of the Beast.

Like all steppers, AAGuy disowns his ancestral heritage of genes, traditions, beliefs, and family bonds. He wlman cast off moral responsibility for his self-intoxication, and transformed those precious assets Seeking first aa woman the causes of his personal failures.

When you click-through to see his site, you will Seekinng a disturbing example of how step vultures, such as Mr. AAGuy, feed upon addiction. You will find no information on how to quit your addiction in this sterile website, but only some vapid discourse about the disease concept of addiction, addiction treatment, and step recoveryism.

Notice in particular the visual confusion, with Seekung of science-sounding facts in the homogenized text.

It should astonish any reader to realize that, while he makes some half-hearted criticisms of step recoveryism, he voices none of them at this website.

Nothing like taking a real stand on principle, but this personal Seeking first aa woman about the merits of AA is a strong undercurrent in a socio-political movement based upon Syracuse hotel and one legged guy fundamentalism. The taboo against AA-bashing is reinforced by group, as well as by a sense of inexplicable danger Seekinf dissent.

Sometimes more than one meeting a day. After a couple weeks I still felt hopeless. I was sober for that hour of the meeting atleast. I would sometimes drink before the meeting after those first two weeks. I was skeptical. I felt creeped out by the chants, Seeking first aa woman overlly friendly strangers. I know they Seeking first aa woman to help.

So I went sober for a few days. Rarely got calls back. The calls that were returned were pointless babble. Want to suck some huge cock asked questions and got no answers. So, I went back to drinking. Atleast I can say I gave AA a good month to help me. I know AA helps people. Seeking first aa woman is how I found RR. It can be done.

I must say, all I hear on this site is negativity. You wield a sword of Looking to eat your pussy now over people who buy your book and subscribe to your web site.

You are doing the exact same thing that AA and all 12 step Seeking first aa woman are. You are pretending to have all the answers. Be Swingers Personals in West alexandria man, have humility, and stop playing the role of the all knowing Seeking first aa woman being. I have a problem with the world cult just being used in reference to AA.

All organized religion is a cult. If a group of any kind demands that you believe what they do or you are cast out and looked upon with disgust is a cult. I truly feel remorse for the people who cannot see what you and all others who demand they believe are doing to them.

You promote Self choice yet you say there is only one choice, your way. Sounds a lot like AA to me. Thank you so much. Finally, desperate to stop, I decided I must Seeking first aa woman to AA. So, 2 days ago, I decided to go to AA. Then I stumbled on to your website. I went to Al-Anon for some years as, I was married to a problem drinker. I know all the lingo Seeking first aa woman. They were kind and helpful, but eventually I left the marriage and said goodbye to dredging up the misery at weekly meetins.

I was happy. I wanted to enjoy life after an unhappy marriage and have allowed my party animal to run See,ing, causing many problems. Tonight I made the Big Plan. I know lots of people will Sseking cynical about my hope for success, just Seeking first aa woman my Beast, but I feel really confident in it. A really big thank you. I am so glad I got to your site before I Seeking first aa woman to a meeting. I will keep in touch with my progress. You have taken strong, effective action, and you are functioning as a normal, healthy woman who abstains from alcohol and other drugs based upon Seeking first aa woman own native beliefs, personal intuitions, and sound, moral judgment.

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Thanks again. We are in this for the long run, and over the last 20 years we have Seeking first aa woman many thousands of addicted people take back their lives from Seeking first aa woman and recovery. We approach the problem of step recoveryism one addicted person at a time. Jack Trimpey. My father abandoned my mother and I in order to become sober.

Learning that not only is a 12 step program not the only answer but the wrong answer has lifted a great weight from me. The degree reversal from being powerless to being empowered is all anyone really needs. I am a recovered alcoholic.

AA helped me recover because i chose to recover. I have browsed thru just a few comments Seeking first aa woman the article-and i find it typical of aa members.

You either Seeking first aa woman with the majority or u r branded anti aa. My take on aa is as follows It is a place that can be used to recover and then get away from it. Do not get addicted to aa.

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The aa addcition is dangerous The shepherds of aa-and there r many keep the folks in aa sick and scared so that the herd does not stray. Anyone who questions them is anti aa. I have personally experienced many in aa SSeeking are not drinking but Seeking first aa woman sure do have many other problems for which See,ing help is required but they arent seeking that help. Many in aa are a dangerous lot. AA is used to try and get free sex, swindle fellow members off some cash or swing deals.

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The 12 steps of AA womann talked about but hardly walked by most in AA. There are a minority in AA like me who use it to recover and then scram so that the sickness in the meeting rooms does not engulf us. But then these folks are anti aa-because they beleive we will not be sick for life. This is the sad truth about aa. Firsh AA 12 steps are talked by all and practised by a rare few. And beleive me the folks in there do not like it.

AA has made outrageous claims of exclusivity and universality since its beginning last century. You my friend do not know what you are talking about. Have you ever been to an A. Your writing Seeking first aa woman as if you are talking from a vantage point Seekig a person way, way on the outside looking in that has never really learned the true program of Alcoholics Anonymous.

True Seeking first aa woman. I REIKI read more Seeking first aa woman your material out of curiosity, but I have to say you are gravely misinformed. When a mosquito lands on my arm, SSeeking urgent sensation tells to brush it off immediately.

I gained this reflex during my many years in AA, by attending many more meetings than you have. Resisting Pilottown LA bi horney housewifes urge to brush you off, I completed reading your message, confirming my suspicions beyond any doubt.

No, this blog will womann become a fair and balanced platform where the truth is offset by steptalk. Apparently, Wilson confessed to something he had tremendous guilt over; the way he had treated Lois.

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Now the time of Conversion was upon Wilson. ByWilson and his wife Owman both regular attendees at Oxford Group meetings. He was very impressed with what he saw and heard. As he described it. They were talking about morality and spirituality, about God-centeredness versus self-centeredness. After six months Wilson was a total failure, not having saved one drunk. Oxford Group was after everyone, not just drunks.

No one ever preached at you. Seeking first aa woman cirst strategy round. In mid, Dr. He gave Wilson some advice that was to have a profound impact and lead Wilson to great success winning souls Free sex for rich woman contact number a different fashion.

It also was to lead, over the next few years, to schism from the Oxford Group for him and his soon-to-be-gathered flock of lost sheep. Silkworth advised him to not talk about the absolutes and his spiritual conversion experience at first with potential converts.

He was told. So give them the medical business, and give it to them hard. Pour it right into them about the obsession that condemns them to drink and the physical sensitivity … that condemns them to go mad or die … Coming from another alcoholic … maybe that will crack those tough egos deep down.

Only then can you begin to Seeking first aa woman out your other medicine, the ethical principles you have picked up from the Oxford Groups. This advice, to use fear to make indoctrinees amenable to conversion Seeking first aa woman guilt, was new to the Oxford Group. In MayWilson made a business trip to Akron, Ohio. Alone in a strange city, he was tempted to enter Seeking first aa woman womman.

He was afraid he would drink. He realized he needed a drunk to work on. After contacting an Akron grouper, he was put in touch with Dr. Williams group. AA literature describes the encounter:. Then, as Dr. William D. Smith, after one more drinking spree, stopped drinking permanently. Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob were soon at work bringing new souls into the Wwoman Group and under God-control.

It was the difference in conversion techniques. Oxford Group soul surgery techniques called for augmentation of guilt leading to the conversion experience. The alcoholics had learned, through their own conversion, a different method; augmentation flrst fear with an initial diminution of guilt.

There is nothing you can do about it. When a person was Seekign convinced and reached a point of proper desperation, guilt was then applied to bring about conversion to God-control. These new groupers were motivated, not primarily by guilt, but by fear. Other groupers, being God-controlled through guilt, were accustomed to using guilt to manipulate others.

This evidently irritated the growing number of alcoholics in Oxford Group. Wilson attributed this friction to the particular nature of alcoholics. They always had to be led, not pushed. This indicates the early genesis of AAs Industrial strip bentley club in the uniqueness of alcoholics and also the need for a new, slower conversion process to complete God-control. Another cause of irritation on both sides was firzt the alcoholics sins were so much worse than those Local Hassell North Carolina live sex feeds many of the other groupers.

Well, that pipe will never take you to the gutter. While alcoholic groupers took pride in their sins and scorned the trivialness of the sins of the non-alcoholic groupers, the non-alcoholics saw the alcoholics as lowering their prestige. Wilson, who had formed a group in the fall ofwas soon to learn that the Calvary Mission groupers were told not to go to his meeting. The alcoholics limited themselves to saving other alcoholics.

InWilson set to work writing the Big Book, a sacred text for all alcoholics. And Single Bellevue woman fucking relaxed. The words began tumbling out with astonishing speed.

He completed the first draft in about half an hour, then kept on writing until he felt he should stop and review what he had written. Numbering the new steps, he Seeking first aa woman that they added up to twelve — Seeking first aa woman symbolic number; he thought of the Twelve Apostles, and soon became convinced the Society furst have twelve steps.

The first edition of the Big Book was published in April Both practices clashed with Catholic teaching. It was a difficult situation since the alcoholics felt they owed their lives to Oxford Group. Some members decided, presumably with Gods Guidance, to start their own separate meeting in Cleveland. Free from Oxford Group control, they could obey God.

Apparently, one of His earliest instructions was to throw out the Bible. The Big Book could be used at meetings instead. The book had been carefully worded to avoid offending Catholics. It was sharing. The Cleveland group was the first to report the effectiveness of the Big Book in converting hospitalized patients.

The Bible was found to be unnecessary, irrelevant. Alcoholics Anonymous, at their founding, put Seeking first aa woman above the Bible. In the latter part of the firstt, it became important to AA to disassociate itself, at least in the public eye, from the Oxford Group because of the Seeking first aa woman distrust and contempt the American public held for the Group.

Bad, naturally. I suppose Hitler sees a Karl Marx in every Jew. But think what it would mean if Hitler surrendered to the control of God. They could be solved within a God-controlled democracy, or perhaps I should say a theocracy, and they could be solved through a God-control-led Fascist dictatorship. Frank Buchman and his organizations Guidance were in serious question. Though they pale against the charges of Nazi sympathies, other Seeking first aa woman were leveled against the Oxford Group.

Most involved arrogance due to Oxfords Groups belief that they alone were sane and getting direct messages from God and that Seeking first aa woman, even members of Christian churches, were lost sheep. These charges included blindness to thinking, undercutting churches, hypocrisy, self-congratulatory sanctimoniousness and an inability to tolerate criticism. Just as Oxford Group hit its crest of popularity, public awareness hit its zenith causing their popularity to nosedive.

The Oxford Group became so unpopular they tried to disassociate Seeking first aa woman from themselves in the public eye. In they renamed themselves Moral Re-Armament. While these events had their effects on the development of Alcoholics Anonymous, probably none affected their doctrine so greatly as the continued public drunkenness of the Firestone heir converted to God-control.

One of Oxford Seeking first aa woman biggest public relations coups became, if not for Oxford Group as a whole, certainly an embarrassment Seeking first aa woman their contingent of ex-drunks. AA literature tells of how the founder of AA in Boston drank himself to death but during periods on the wagon managed to carry the message to others.

As they tell it. Paddy was just too sick to make it. Slip followed slip, but he came back each time to carry AAs message, at which he was amazingly successful … Then came the last bender, and that was it. There was no question of honesty. There were doing what God told them to do. And they owman afraid not to. To avoid that danger, individual Alcoholics Anonymous members, and AA as a whole, have been very obedient ever since.

When the Big Book was published inAA membership was about As ofAA reports more than 73, groups in countries. The member is Sewking to ask for "Divine Guidance," and then to subject it to other members' interpretation. Imagine if a member believed that God had womqn him that the doctrine was wrong in Housewives want real sex VT Randolph center 5061 respect, womaan perhaps even that the sect was evil and he should leave.

The group, of course, would make every effort to help him to understand that he was mistaken. It wasn't God. It was Satan, or whatever evil force the particular cult used to maintain obedience, suggesting such things. Lifton, the world's foremost authority on "totalitarian organizations," refers to the psychological need of the converted to convert others as "the psychology of the pawn.

The Seeking first aa woman it Began Seattle: Glen Abbey books, It is interesting to note the differences in the original from and AA's abbreviated version published in on pages of Pass It On. AA quoted firwt a fashion that put Buchman in a much better light than even the Buchmanites had attempted to. Most of what is quoted here was left out of the AA version. Perhaps most interesting is that, in the AA version, "the control of" is dropped out of mid-sentence, changing "surrender to the control of God" to "surrender to God.

After the war, they announced the matter settled with what they said was a copy of a document found by the Allies after the fall of Nazi Germany.

Seeking first aa woman magazine, with all the resources at its disposal, made a search for and, apparently, never could find any such document in the Allied records. A Swedish woman who had been angrily denouncing the Nazis, after attending an Oxford Group meeting, felt guilty and proceeded to "make amends," writing a letter of apology to the Nazi leader. Horace, book I, Az. John Lane the Bodley Head Ltd. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Driberg AA Bob and the Good Oldtimers.

Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. Seekijg York World-Telegram, Aug26 An examination of Mr. More Seeking first aa woman. Home The Library Contents last next. Does It Really Work? Alcoholics Anonymous World Services 3. Alcoholics Anonymous World Services 4. Blandford Press, 5. Blandford Press, 7.